Counselling the Children of Narcissists

Whilst a mild level of narcissism can be healthy – in order to take care of ourselves we need to believe ourselves worthy of that care – narcissism (and those defined as ‘narcissists’) as spoken about in therapy is less helpful as it denotes an extreme selfishness and self-centered viewpoint to the detriment of anyone else.

Becoming a narcissist

Narcissism is thought to form in childhood where needs were not met or not met satisfactorily by the parent.

This causes the response in the child of denial of needs from external sources, and a lack of understanding of the needs of others (as they have not learnt about the needs of others).

Narcissists typically have an unmet need, and thus use others to attempt to satiate that need in a self-centred manner.

The narcissist therefore seeks out those who can meet their needs without offering anything in return in order to defend against the pain of the original unmet need. Narcissists can therefore present as in constant need without showing any empathy for the needs of others.

To learn more about counselling the children of narcissists, watch our online CPD training with expert Julia Buckroyd.

Narcissism into parenthood

Where a narcissist becomes a parent, this lack of compassion and consideration can cause a deficit in the care that their child receives and so in turn can create another generation of narcissists in the family. The child of a narcissist will often be appalled to discover the same traits in themselves which they found so hard to bare in their own parents.

In therapy it is therefore important to understand that if you are working with the child of a narcissist, you are likely working with a narcissist themselves, and as such will face all of the issues that can cause.

Effective therapy relies on the formation of a therapeutic relationship between a client and their therapist, but for a narcissistic client this could be an uphill battle.

Types of Narcissist

There are two main types of narcissists: grandiose and vulnerable. However, these headings can also be broken down into sub divisions.

  1. The Performer – this is the classic narcissist as described in fiction. They need to be the centre of attention and find life extremely challenging when the audience disappears.
  2. The Controller – this person dominates interactions with others. They have to be right and cannot admit that they are ever wrong. They never apologise, and always insist on things being done their way. They do not, however, have the capacity to acknowledge that others play along with their demands because this would be to recognise their need of the other.
  3. The One With No Needs – At first glance this person will not appear to be narcissistic because they appear to devote their life to others. They suffer endlessly before ever addressing their own needs and can be judgemental of anyone who needs to take a break. By having no needs they escape the vulnerability associated with relying on others.
  4. The Black Hole of Needs – This person is aware of their needs but expects these needs to be met by others. They will enlist everyone they can to meet their needs whilst remaining oblivious to the needs of others. The efforts of those around them will likely never be thanked.
  5. The Victim – they have abdicated all responsibility for their life as something that happens to you rather than something you can choose to control. They destroy all attempts to help them through their conviction that nothing will work. This protects them from the original trauma by denying it.

It is important when dealing with the child of a narcissist to acknowledge in sessions the importance of other important figures in their life who were able to meet their needs – grandparents, teachers, siblings, other family members etc. By acknowledging the moments when their needs were met, you can empower the clients to identify the difference in their lives when their needs weren’t being met, in order to begin healing the wound.

Beliefs of the Narcissistic Parent

The narcissistic parent will have demands which must be met by all those around them, including their children.

A narcissistic parent can have dangerous emotional impacts on a child. Parents may shame their children for showing vulnerability and need, or may use them and exploit them just like they do with other people in order to fulfil their own needs.

These can include:

  • You are made in my image
  • You must be a credit to me
  • You are here to take care of me
  • You are to make no demands and offer no competition

These demands can in turn produce dangerous emotional reactions in the child, such as:

  • Not being what is wanted leading to abuse
  • Never developing/losing sense of self – no choices/desires/preferences
  • Being shamed for need and vulnerability
  • Being seen as competition – more beautiful/intelligent/popular than the parent
  • Being used and exploited
  • Turning out like the narcissistic parent
  • Being so afraid of relationships that people are avoided and connection is found through food, alcohol, porn, drugs, fantasy etc.

Therapy for the Child of a Narcissist

The therapist might therefore have to work differently than usual with clients who present in this way. Reassurance, compliance, advice and coping strategies are unlikely to change anything because they do not address the fundamental problem – that of the unmet infant need.

The client will have spent their lifetime denying and defending against the original unmet need. We as therapists cannot repair this history for the client but we can accompany them through an acknowledgement of this painful past, helping them to recognise the shame it may arouse in them and the difficulties they have in experiencing vulnerability.

Hopefully, over time, the client can begin to experiment with vulnerability and needs within the therapy room in order to find that they are not the cause of shame, nor something which frightens you. This can be very difficult work, and it is common for clients in this position to end therapy prematurely.

To learn more about counselling the children of narcissists, watch our online CPD training with expert Julia Buckroyd.

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  1. Therapy Route on 2018-09-18 at 11:39 AM

    Brilliant to see that people are taking this seriously. It was only well into my twenties that I started to realize that I have grown up with narcissistic parents

    It was only through training as a psychotherapist that this started to take shape. They were (and still are) no doubt trying their best so this would complicate the picture. Children are often infused by their parents’ outlook, they (and I) easily identify with their parent’s subjective experience and don’t have the necessary ego strength or enough solidity in their identity to be able to say “Erm, no that part is definitely you and not me”. This renders them at a major disadvantage I n alter life as significant energy (and in my case, expensive therapy) is required to interrogate every element of their identity to establish what is true and what is the result of identifying with parental projections.

    A task complicated by feelings of guilt and shame at the thought of how injured these loved parents would be should they discover how their image is changing in the minds of their children. I wondered how we might be able to introduce parents to these effects when we work with them and wanted to ask if this forms part of your program?

  2. Healing within you on 2018-10-22 at 9:00 AM

    I really like your post.
    Thanks for sharing.

  3. Claire Moffat on 2020-10-25 at 1:07 PM

    Where can I find a counsellor yo help me with my mother issues? I can’t keep feeling like this about her!

    • Shelley Holland on 2020-10-31 at 9:42 AM

      Hi Claire,
      Thanks for reaching out. We’ll put you in touch with the Palmeira Practice (our Counselling and Psychotherapy Practice in Brighton) to see if they will be able to assist you.
      best wishes, Brighton Therapy Partnership

      • Sonia k on 2024-01-05 at 9:58 PM

        Please can you recommend a child psychologist for children aged between 4-9 years who are survivors of fathers narcissistic abuse . I cannot find this specific counselling for children

        • Shelley Holland on 2024-01-08 at 9:58 AM

          A good play or child psychotherapist will be able to work with any child of primary school age, and be able to work with whatever issues the child presents with. They will not tend to advertise specialisms such as you’ve mentioned because, with some exceptions, play and child psychotherapists work with what comes to them in the room. Very young children are not equipped to work with issues in the same way as adults; it’s a very different approach. Just go for a good play or child psychotherapist that you and your child can visit in-person. Worry less about the specific issue that needs to be worked with. Good luck with your search.

  4. Geraldine on 2021-06-21 at 8:18 AM

    Hi, my son is 8 and has constant contact with his narcissist father. His father / my ex puts him down alot and bullies him, but can also praise our son.

    Does my son need therapy to deal with his father, or is he too young?


    • Lucy on 2022-06-05 at 9:35 PM

      Hi Geraldine,

      Did you get a response to your query? I’m interested too because my partners daughter who is six has a narcissist parent and we are really worried about how it is impacting on her now and well into the future. I’m wondering if the child needs counselling?

      • Shelley Holland on 2022-06-06 at 1:04 PM

        Dear Lucy
        Brighton Therapy Partnership is a training organisation, so we are unable to offer help directly. For anyone with any concerns about another person we would strongly advice contacting a local agency or therapy service, or one of the many national helplines.
        Children are often able to access counselling services via their school, so this is also a place to discuss the needs of a child.
        all the best, BTP

  5. Martin on 2022-07-25 at 3:03 AM

    Hi, I am literally at the end. I had married an extreme covert narcissist who destroyed everything. I have a son from a previous marriage who was a happy child, but whose life she destroyed and who is suicidal and having serious mental issues now. We have 2 mutual children who are being completely destroyed. Then nobody believes me and will blame everything on me. I have the kids almost full time time but a very abusive Parenting Coordinator is now my ex’s favorite flying monkey and completely helping her in the abuse. Even the kids counselor is basically blaming me for “taking the kids away from the mother” who presents very well but is extremely covertly abusive. I simply can not find a good counselor who understands narcissism for the children. All the children she has been involved with have turned into abusers or mental wrecks and my small children are going the same way. Still everybody thinks I am the problem while my whole life was destroyed. I need help without being made out as a crazy person.

    • Kelly on 2023-06-30 at 10:34 PM

      Hi Martin,

      I feel your pain. My ex is just like this and I’ve also been made out to be the bad parent. Have you been able to get any help? I would like to know what to do also. My ex wants our 11 year old daughter to see a psychologist but I’m worried that either everything will be blamed on me or, if the psychologist actually figures out that her dad is a narcissist, that he’ll take it out on her. Any help from anyone would be appreciated.

  6. Anonymous on 2023-01-18 at 10:16 PM

    Hi there! As a fellow counselor, I find this dynamic is especially difficult when the Narcissistic parents is bringing the child in to counseling. I have heard from the child’s other parent several times that they are twisting my words as well as taking the information we discuss in the office and using it as a weapon towards the other parents. Is this something you have dealt with?

  7. Susan E Smith on 2023-01-23 at 1:27 PM

    Hi Martin, I deal with several Narcissist in my life and one is my daughter in law. I worry about my 6 year old granddaughter and can already see some of the same behaviors that her mother has. I am also frustrated because no one seems to be able to see it, or help. Did you ever find help?

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